[16:00:30] OK. I guess it's time to start the meeting. [16:00:30] There is another guy that has done a great recording gnga about 400k [16:00:40] yep [16:00:57] This really is Gameboy's meeting, but since he couldn't make it, he asked me to host it. [16:00:59] suuuuuure does [16:01:09] Figures. [16:01:42] And this should basically be the same meeting as yesterday. [16:01:54] There are two meetings to make sure most people can attend. [16:02:43] Gameboy is collecting opinions on several MARP-related things, so to basically decide the future of MARP. [16:03:02] *** LazyBitch sets mode: -b *!*@slip-32-101-223-183.ia.us.prserv.net [16:03:02] *** phuquenut sets mode: -b *!*@slip-32-101-223-183.ia.us.prserv.net [16:03:36] hmm [16:03:37] OK. Let me start by showing Gameboy's opening statement from yesterday. [16:03:43] silly bot [16:03:55] [22:03:58] As many of you know - QT Quazar resigned from his Rules Coordinator post about two weeks ago. [16:03:55] [22:04:26] this came off of discussion behind his back. perhaps this was rash on my part - but hear this: [16:04:00] *** Quits: jdllama (jdllama@AC8C4B5C.ipt.aol.com) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [16:04:14] now hear this [16:04:19] [22:04:50] there were several reasons other editors(one of which is here tonight) were not satisfied with his work. [16:04:19] [22:05:04] this included removing of votes(some good ideas, some horrible). [16:04:35] [22:05:31] this was not our intention of a rules coordinator - instead - it was intended just to maintain the rules page like Angry did before he retired. [16:04:46] [22:06:22] He says that he has resigned as an editor. I have not removed him as such at this time - because the majority of editors didn't decide to remove that. But the majority DID decide to remove the coordination [16:05:00] [22:06:52] Frankly, he's a good man - I'll play him at wacky chess any day :) [16:05:00] [22:07:00] but I hope he'll be coming back... as a player anyway. [16:05:00] [22:07:20] I guess that's my statement. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you have. [16:05:00] [22:07:32] try to do one at a time :) [16:05:38] -> [#marp] PING [16:06:00] OK. Any questions? Remarks? [16:06:11] Is there anything important out of yesterday besides that that we should know? [16:06:41] I didn't like how QT went behind the main msg board vote and emailed players who hadn't voted [16:07:08] I don't think so, Ashuime. [16:07:15] Okay, just wondering. [16:07:38] I mean, no decisions were made yet. At this point, Gameboy is just collecting opinions. [16:07:43] Ah. [16:08:54] And I didn't like how as soon as KOA was announced, QT went ahead and mailed marpers with his 'millenium madness' tournament that wanted money from players [16:08:59] Another thing we did not like was that QT actually cancelled two votes called by Gameboy. [16:09:05] Yes that too [16:09:20] And he cancelled Tommi's confirmation status [16:09:30] So I say he should go [16:09:36] While on the editors board, QT said that editors should never openly disagree. [16:09:38] well he's gone already [16:09:41] when we start talking in 3rd person, you know its not good lol [16:09:42] but thats just my opinion [16:11:07] At this point, he still has his editor rights, Gameboy didn't remove those. [16:11:50] I think he did a serious good job as ong as I have been here, maybe some mistakes here and there as we all do [16:11:55] *** Joins: philippe (plamat@nas5-24.wms.club-internet.fr) [16:12:33] Like Gameboy said, we had intended the rules coordinator to be someone who just maintains the web page, certainly not someone who comes up with new rules every week. [16:12:47] The web page containing the rules, I mean. [16:13:28] He took his title a little too far [16:13:28] My opinion is that having new rules every week is not good for MARP. [16:13:46] I agree on that point Ben Jos, But what I meant was that he had ideas about things maybe he did do things on his own to much without asking:) [16:14:03] I think there should be as little rule changes and additions as possible. Only the ones that are really necessary. [16:14:29] True. [16:14:37] I agree [16:14:39] I think MARP was running pretty well before there were all these rules. [16:14:46] That depends if the rules are good or bad.. Not saying they are bad though [16:14:58] Yeah but to his credit, something like the PC-10 dilemma was unforeseen at the time. Who else was going to decide or call a vote on what was to become of the situation [16:14:59] *** Joins: jdllama (jdllama@AC84C52B.ipt.aol.com) [16:15:10] *** phuquenut sets mode: +o jdllama [16:15:23] there. Lousy AOL. [16:15:26] I know that some rules are necessary, and that a complete lack of rules is bad too, but this seemed to have gone to the other extreme. [16:15:28] hehe [16:15:54] hmm you may be right on that one Ben jos [16:16:25] agreed [16:16:32] So what do we do with the now vacant position of Rules Coordinator? [16:16:52] Gameboy suggested having not one, but several people coordinating the rules. [16:17:09] Hmmm. [16:17:11] bad idea [16:17:12] And he also suggested that they should not be editors. [16:17:13] Perhaps. [16:17:27] not exactly several, I say only 3. Maybe one could be editor.. [16:17:39] Hmmm... [16:17:46] I don´t think that is necessary.. Why don´t you all editors handle the rules with some kind of vote system [16:17:47] just get one person to maintain the page and to call votes. marpers should decide what the rules are to be [16:18:02] thats the way it used to be with Angry. [16:18:12] I was about to say that JSW..:) [16:18:16] Could be Pat Laffaye be candidate ? [16:18:18] Right. I think the way Angry did it was pretty good. [16:18:23] Hm [16:18:55] Sure, I think Pat could be candidate. I don't know if he wants to, though. My impression is that he likes to stay in the background as an editor as much as possible. [16:19:33] I mean, we have 6 editors, but only 3 of those really are active at this time. [16:19:43] he always did a great and impartial work [16:20:01] the rules co-ordinator shouldn't be an editor.. it's an entirely different role anyway [16:20:16] What I mean is that there is no need for more rules coordinators or things like that as long as you all editors agree about things with your fellow editors.. And listen to the players with votes etc. [16:20:17] *** Joins: cparsley2 (cparsley1@slip-32-101-223-183.ia.us.prserv.net) [16:20:20] Phil: Yes, I agree, but what I mean is that he may not want to have to deal with all the hostility that might result from actions. [16:20:27] +o me plz [16:20:33] *** MDenham sets mode: +o cparsley2 [16:20:49] *** cparsley was kicked by MDenham (out with the bad connection, in with the good connection) [16:20:56] thx [16:21:02] *** QRS sets mode: +o philippe [16:21:03] no problem [16:21:23] *** cparsley2 is now known as cparsley [16:21:31] So how many rules coordinators should there be? 0? 1? 3? [16:21:39] Two. [16:21:40] If it everything went to vote, there's no need for hostility. You can't blame the one person for acting on a vote [16:21:41] :-> [16:21:49] I say 1. [16:21:55] Yeah, one. [16:21:59] 1 [16:22:05] <_Frankie_> 1 [16:22:09] 1 [16:22:15] 1 1/2 [16:22:19] 1 seems fine [16:22:20] If we're going with the rules coordinator doing nothing besides maintain the rules page and call votes, 1. [16:22:22] smart ass :) [16:23:04] OK. And how do we decide on new rules? Can everybody just call a vote, or should there be some kind of procedure? [16:23:05] lol [16:23:31] Four people have to submit a request for a vote, and at least 15 votes have to occur on it. [16:23:56] Submit to the rules coordinator? [16:23:59] After 15 votes, it runs until 48 hours after the last vote. [16:24:03] Ben: Yeah. [16:24:07] Sorry, not that many people actually read the board some times [16:24:07] Yeah [16:24:14] Well, I think it would be a good idea to make sure there's mention of the vote in progress on the main news page. [16:24:21] Right. [16:24:35] Yes, Gameboy is planning on making a link for things like that on the MARP page. [16:25:01] I think most serious MARPers either read the board or the news frequently [16:25:05] I found that out sending out an email this morning [16:25:46] And something Aqua asked yesterday: [16:25:55] [22:38:45] How often is an overrule attempt allowed on the same rule allowed? [16:26:13] never... rules is rules [16:26:21] once every six months [16:26:27] like it was voted on yesterday [16:26:28] Well, sure, JSW, but new people come in all the time. [16:26:51] A rule that is 2 years old may no longer represent the current MARP majority opinion. [16:26:59] once every quarter then [16:27:10] thats getting pedantic [16:27:22] *** Quits: MDenham (Kinoshkana@slip166-72-118-38.or.us.prserv.net) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [16:28:05] Well, I'm just collecting opinions. We (Gameboy) just wants to know what people think, so that we can make MARP more enjoyable. [16:28:13] The main rules must be the same I think [16:28:27] yes, basic rules like no auto-fire will never change. [16:28:30] Every six months seems ok to me. I don't think the time limit should be any longer than one year though. [16:29:29] not to sound impatient, but can we speed this up a little....? [16:29:44] why? [16:30:11] some of us might have to do things today, like go to work, etc... [16:30:40] ok [16:30:41] OK. Well, since nobody seems to have any more opinions on this, I guess we'll go to the next point. [16:30:57] Which is the main MARP tournaments. [16:31:03] too... long [16:31:11] <_Frankie_> no way [16:31:25] notice main, since the editors didn't endorce KoA. [16:31:42] KoA is on the list of agenda points, too, Chris. [16:31:51] patience, young Parsley [16:31:53] I know, that's why I am here. [16:31:53] So is the Olympiad. [16:31:54] ok t5? two weeks into it it was great. then there was a massive lull for the remainder, hardly anyone submitted anything [16:32:03] cut everything in half is my opinoin about the tournaments [16:32:13] Put more time between tournies [16:32:17] yep, I agree with QRS. One month max [16:32:26] no !! [16:32:27] So are there too many tournaments? Do they last too long? Is there too little time in between? [16:32:34] one month less games [16:32:37] Too many games? [16:32:38] think about people working a lot [16:32:39] too much burn out [16:32:45] They last too long, make them about 2 months apart [16:32:47] more time between them, and less time. Way too long. [16:33:07] <_Frankie_> Not under 1 month [16:33:17] right frankie [16:33:23] time missed me to explore vulgus much more [16:33:29] one month is enough with 4 games instead of 8 [16:33:43] Philippe, got ur score fixed, thx for email [16:34:00] explore vulgus? it's a simple shooter... it's not like it requires months of intensive gameplay to discover the 'secrets' [16:34:39] Well, some people need more time than others to get to know a game, JSW. [16:34:48] you're wrong : about 60000 in the beginning ; 140000 after 1 month and about 200000 after 2 months [16:34:55] Yes.. but in Vulgus' case? [16:34:57] <_Frankie_> Yes, Like me :-) [16:35:01] i got 250k in my first go [16:35:06] BBH can learn to play 8 games pretty well in two weeks. Most others need a lot more time. [16:35:09] i'm talking about vulgus [16:35:16] And people might not have too much free time. [16:35:25] And, not everybody has a whole lot of easily sscheduled free time. [16:35:35] <_Frankie_> Like me [16:35:39] is bbh studant ? i'm not [16:35:49] No, BBH works. [16:35:56] he works [16:36:09] I study, but I always play at night [16:36:17] hehe [16:36:53] so what are we getting at? [16:36:55] with four games the scores would be better on those games.. easier to concentrateon tha games etc [16:36:57] Setting one hour aside for a tourney every other night isn't a big ask [16:37:04] OK. Any further discussion on the main MARP tournaments? [16:37:17] I dont see any [16:37:25] Look at Beejay- he works, married with kids and he still finds time to get great scores on Wonderboy and the like [16:37:35] Perhaps you should mention the other thing Gameboy said about the tournaments [16:37:45] right, Aqua [16:37:49] hmm great score on wboy? *joking* [16:37:57] lol [16:38:00] hah.. my money is on him :) [16:38:01] beejay didn't play in last tourneys [16:38:15] Which is, Aqua? [16:38:21] he played in the first tourney [16:38:23] and won it [16:38:25] JSW:grrr' [16:38:45] I was only present to log yesterday's meeting. I didn't pay attention then. I'm looking through the log now. [16:38:47] About his involvement in future tourneys ... [16:38:53] right [16:38:54] Ah yes. [16:38:57] having no time is a bullshit excuse quite frankly. If you didn't have time to play games, what are you doing at marp in the first place. [16:38:59] he said he would retire sometime.... [16:39:08] Gameboy is probably going to retire as main tournament coordinator. [16:39:27] and he suggested making Pat the new tourny coordinator [16:39:43] but if he's the tourny coordinator and the rules one as mentioned earlier, it would be hectic. [16:39:44] He won't have as much time, and he wants to spend his time on the Olympiad. [16:40:11] so if not him, where we go for it? [16:40:13] <_Frankie_> So, with the tourneys cut down to 1 month, will there be 3 or 2 months between them? [16:40:29] <_Frankie_> 3 or 4 tourneys each year? [16:40:46] Frankie: We don't know yet. If that's what most people want, then that's probably how it's going to be. [16:40:49] I say that it should be a group for the tournies when gb9 vacates that position. Keeps everything in check. [16:40:56] That's what the meeting is for, to hear what people want. [16:41:00] I think there was going to be a thread for nominations [16:41:00] nothing is decided yet [16:41:15] <_Frankie_> okay [16:41:40] We are not making decisions in this meeting. Gameboy is going to look at what people said in both meetings and then probably come up with suggestions. [16:42:01] Ok, I think nominations would work fine to fill his position [16:42:03] there is a big difference between these meetings, I've noticed [16:42:21] What, JD? [16:42:59] well, I take that back. [16:43:25] where we go next? [16:43:27] never mind, in other words. I'm being an idiot again. [16:43:29] OK. Next item then: KoA. [16:43:35] ah yes, the KoA vote [16:43:43] vote? [16:43:53] vote/discussion/debate [16:43:57] kill it! [16:44:19] <_Frankie_> Why? [16:44:23] What are people's opinions on a KoA like tournament? [16:44:33] Chris, to be honest, I don't think you executed KoA that well, so don't kill KoA, just a new person in charge (no offense there, buddy_ [16:44:33] ) [16:44:35] BenJos, what was said in last meeting... [16:44:39] because it's run by an inept person [16:44:50] Maybe keep the idea alive, but get someone else to run it [16:44:55] right [16:44:55] I like the idea to concentrate everybody on asame game [16:45:00] People generally liked the idea, but didn't like the execution. [16:45:09] I like it. Maybe we should make some improvements, but it's a good idea [16:45:15] The concept is great, it's the execution that wasn't so good [16:45:17] I love the idea, thats why I joined in the first place [16:45:27] If I would have had the support of the editors, the EXECUTION WOULD HAD BEEN NO PROBLEM [16:45:39] I like the KOA concept, but think it needs a staff similar to the "main" tournament [16:45:45] <_Frankie_> Well, it's the first KoA. Give him a chance. [16:45:57] You had the support. Pat even created a k1-aurail for you, but you never used it. [16:45:57] Nobody would come to be staff. Asked, nobody accepted. [16:46:03] I agree [16:46:05] right [16:46:07] Don't blame editors for your own mistakes. [16:46:09] Nobody ever told me there was anything. [16:46:12] so should someone help Cp for the organisation ? [16:46:12] It´s not easy to run a tournay like that [16:46:21] cp refused help [16:46:23] right jd? [16:46:24] QRS, gb9, Pat, and myself chipped in, and it still turned out like this. [16:46:29] Can't use something not informed. [16:46:33] so should someone help parsley for organisation [16:46:37] jd has helped, that is true. [16:46:43] no, someone else should do it, period. [16:46:53] I don't remember him refusing help, though. [16:46:57] I already proposed chris to run the Koa 2 and I still volunteer [16:47:07] But he never asked for it from the general public [16:47:31] ok, If I knew k1-aurail was actually there, I would had very much used it. [16:47:37] and never accepted help when it was offered. Unless that person was an editor it seems [16:47:41] One thing he did refuse is to make it a team project, because of something along the lines of "not everyone knows HTML" [16:47:55] <_Frankie_> Who's idea was KoA in the first place? [16:47:59] Vaz [16:48:01] Pat can create entries for tournament games. For more elaborate things, we'd need someone like Zwaxy or Keiichi to add stuff to the scripts. [16:48:13] No, I didn't do a public ask for help, that I didn't do. But many ppl was already predicting doom on it, and if I would had asked, the door would had crashed shut right then and there [16:48:29] Yeah, like KOA is the masterpiece of HTML coding [16:48:29] <_Frankie_> Can't Vaz and Chris run it together? [16:48:30] Stop it guys don´t blame Chris all the time.. [16:48:39] I asked gb (who is an editor) to get k1-name if possible, and never heard anything back. [16:48:55] You all want to know my staff, I'll introduce them to you. [16:48:59] Staff, step forward. [16:49:09] (Nobody steps forward) [16:49:11] * jdllama steps forward with only one foot [16:49:27] Note the point, it's not easy doing an entire tourney 1 man off-site [16:49:28] KOA shouldn't need 'staff' [16:49:45] JSW: with a staff, it makes the updates faster [16:49:47] Koa need more frequent updates automatic uploadings etc and why not run it on MARP like the tourneys? [16:50:01] but I think, with some kinks that was bound to happen with a new item [16:50:13] I dont have automated updates as I am not on MARP main. [16:50:20] yeah right. Even I could make a basic upload script, let it do all the work. [16:50:28] I could verify the inps no problem [16:50:34] then do it Medio [16:50:37] all updates have me scrolling though the game, finding score, watching it, placing it on site, and publishing [16:51:05] The main tourneys have it u submit recording, automatically placed in leaderboard [16:51:05] So why didn't you ask Gameboy or Pat for suggestions before the tournament started? They both had experience running/coordinating tournaments. [16:51:06] sure! I'll do the next one if no-one else volunteers [16:51:11] another critique of KoA; the version of MAME to use [16:51:30] Lagavulin can help for the form : he's a tennis tournament umpire and know how to create eliminations round [16:51:33] not that I am making an out for my mistakes, but it isn't easy. [16:51:35] I volunteer for the next koa 2 ! [16:51:41] yeah, you said 35tg3b, but with the generic porting over of HTML, do you think everyone looked there over and over again? [16:51:55] I did have gb's help in the beginning [16:52:19] The main reason the editors turned their backs on KoA is because you wanted to do it all on your own and basically demanded things you needed. [16:52:23] isn't everything a perpeutial beta? [16:52:39] No I didn't I was forced to go out on my own [16:52:51] And I asked, not demanded. [16:52:55] <_Frankie_> May I ask why the fourth round was extended in date? [16:53:11] problems with posting Frankie [16:53:17] site was taking updates. [16:53:19] <_Frankie_> okay [16:53:21] constant lack of updates, inconsistent rulings, etc.. what do these have to do with editors [16:53:21] wasn't [16:53:38] OK. I guess most people still like the idea of a KoA tournament. So what kind of suggestions are there to make it smoother? [16:53:53] new person/persons [16:53:55] which should be able to pick up, with my other web job, I have to check per day, and should be able to add the KoA to that check list. [16:53:55] get someone else to run it [16:54:01] constant periods for each round [16:54:05] lol jd [16:54:07] <_Frankie_> Chris sets up a team to help him. [16:54:23] The rounds haven't been same cause I have trying to please everyone [16:54:32] what about the server bubbles [16:54:39] When I have it 2 weeks, ppl cry too long, so I shorten it, now it's too quick [16:54:51] it's the first, all bugs to be worked out [16:54:53] Periods of play should be decided in advance when players register [16:54:55] <_Frankie_> It depends on the game [16:54:57] I like that Frankie [16:55:07] No problems that Chris runs it on his own for me.. but make it all through MARP.. it´s easier for him and for us.. [16:55:17] agreed, QRS [16:55:23] (applause) [16:55:35] <_Frankie_> Top players golf takes longer to learn than Mr.Do [16:55:49] nope, I disagree. Chris has proven to be incompetent. I'd like to see someone else handle the next one. [16:56:01] Q: How about the break-up of games? Ideas on whether it's been good/bad? [16:56:03] Hell, I volunteer as well. [16:56:09] Rules , and time playing, must be decided in advance and not adapted each time [16:56:15] right [16:56:21] WOW, I finally get a staff...!!! YAY [16:56:25] I disagree there JSW give him another chance with better circumstances.. [16:56:41] I should have been out by end of R3, but with that Wild Card thing being thrown in randomly [16:56:51] All who is going to help email me at cparsley2@yahoo.com plz [16:56:51] I say don't make it random, but don't make it every round. [16:57:03] <_Frankie_> I should have been out after round one :-) [16:57:05] what does that mean jd? [16:57:20] I should've been out before round one [16:57:31] elaborate plz jd [16:57:33] whoever runs KoA2: Make Wild Card only last round (either that or first round) [16:57:55] it was used, honestly, to balance out groups. [16:57:57] Could you rephrase the "break up of games" question Chris? [16:58:13] <_Frankie_> So, create that k1- and Chris can pick any game he wants. Then pick someone to help on the updates [16:58:17] yes, but you used it randomly. [16:58:21] thats enough of koa... next? [16:58:23] Games that have been played already, good mix/bad mix, why? How would u decide games to be played? [16:58:49] May had been randomly to u, but I have the entire tourney on paper before R1 began. [16:58:59] <_Frankie_> I think the topscorer from each round should decide next game. How's that? [16:59:15] good idea [16:59:17] ok, not randomly: how about "unannounced"? There isn't anything in the rules stating about a Wild Card spot [16:59:19] Ok. There needs to be a better method than Tournament Administrator's Whim [16:59:25] Interesting, Frankie, but then, he could monopolize the tourney then. [16:59:37] agree [16:59:45] And that is regardless of who the tournament adminstrator is. [16:59:49] <_Frankie_> Yes, if BBH enters, we are all lost :-) [16:59:53] lol [16:59:55] agreed [17:00:01] Brian might have taken Zection z after his Aurail:=) [17:00:07] I had a talk with BBH before KoA1 started. [17:00:11] that's the KOA coordinator to decide. Players have to follow [17:00:11] <_Frankie_> I hated Aurail [17:00:41] I didn't think anyone would get out of the experience without hating at least one game. [17:00:42] Heh. Well, hating a game is not a reason of course not to have it in a tournament. Some people hate a game, others love it. [17:00:55] agree [17:00:57] is there anything else on the agenda BenJos? [17:01:04] Yes, Olympiad is next. [17:01:11] Some hated Aurail, others dispised Top Players... [17:01:22] [23:21:04] Next is the Olympiad. [17:01:31] last note on KoA before olympiad, just get me your emails for ppl willing to help... cparsley2@yahoo.com thx [17:01:31] [23:21:17] I have five rules coordinators - so I'm wondering what questions you have of me. [17:01:47] [23:21:28] You have until 2/15 to apply - so it's not a big deal at this time. [17:01:47] [23:21:40] I'm the olympiad coordinator - the rest is unofficial at this time. [17:01:47] [23:21:52] I might not do it at all... [17:01:47] [23:22:00] or I might even turn that over to the election [17:01:49] *** Quits: Actatonal (aquatarkus@ip241.houston2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net) (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) [17:02:05] <_Frankie_> Could someone please explain that Olympiad to me? [17:02:21] <_Frankie_> I have an idea, how to run it [17:02:23] I think it's mentioned on the board, but in a nutshell: [17:02:27] Ppl play, like tourney, but scores on leaderboard based on country [17:02:27] It's all in the msg board somewhere [17:02:35] Anybody can become a coordinator. [17:02:43] all US players in one team, all Aussies in 1 team, etc. [17:02:56] Coordinators choose a game (one they themselves are familiar with), choose DIP switches and choose playback judges. [17:03:00] wow.. thats fair. How many US players are there compared to AU [17:03:05] *** Quits: cparsley (cparsley1@slip-32-101-223-183.ia.us.prserv.net) (Leaving) [17:03:17] and sweden.. [17:03:29] and falkland islands [17:03:31] <_Frankie_> and Denmark? [17:03:33] if they had a marper :) [17:03:33] Right. Gameboy wants to make it team based, and, like the Olympics, he wants to use countries, but of course that wouldn't be really fair. [17:03:35] *** Joins: Ariatotem (aquatarkus@ip195.houston13.tx.pub-ip.psi.net) [17:03:49] *** phuquenut sets mode: +o Ariatotem [17:03:55] <_Frankie_> I'm the only Dane? [17:03:57] <_Frankie_> HELP [17:04:01] continents then? [17:04:13] Ron Corcoran is going to help with the Olympiad. [17:04:21] Är du från Danmark Franke? [17:04:37] <_Frankie_> Ja, smørrebrød :-) [17:04:49] :) [17:05:03] I'd still rather play for something besides the US [17:05:23] <_Frankie_> Could I explain how I would run the Olympiad? [17:05:24] I'd like to play for NZ [17:05:34] Right. I think there should be some other way to decide on teams than countries. [17:05:41] why not Hisa Chan vs the world? [17:05:45] Maybe fictional countries or something. [17:06:09] what about hemispheres.. ok maybe not, theres not too many southern hemisphere players [17:06:10] Go ahead, Frankie. [17:06:25] *** QRS is now known as Hisa [17:06:31] <_Frankie_> 1. Pick numbers of games [17:06:55] <_Frankie_> 2. choose a qualifying score [17:07:00] Hisa, you are a bacca [17:07:21] <_Frankie_> 3. let people qualify by beating that score within a few months [17:07:25] All clear all remain on the olympiad [17:07:45] <_Frankie_> 4. If they do that they'll qualify for the olympiad in the summer months [17:07:48] All miss no clear [17:08:11] <_Frankie_> 5. Players on MARP already over that qualifying score is automatically qualified [17:08:12] *** Quits: philippe (plamat@nas5-24.wms.club-internet.fr) (Leaving) [17:08:27] <_Frankie_> 6. That way only the best is competing in the games [17:08:28] iss simple Hisa 100% no weapons all clear marathon player could do it, KING. [17:08:53] <_Frankie_> I think to qualify is following the spirit of the Olympiad [17:08:55] i bow down to king! [17:08:55] Frankie: I think that idea is great! [17:09:01] lol [17:09:35] Heh. [17:09:45] OK. Any other thoughts/questions/remarks on the Olympiad? [17:09:51] how about you have countries, but players can be mercenaries if they want.. say if BBH wanted to defect to Uzebekistan, then he could [17:10:02] Hmm... interesting idea, JSW. [17:10:03] not really [17:10:17] actually, that's sounds great [17:10:21] But you can only defect once, otherwise people would jump around all the time. [17:10:21] Beat all my olympic medals one after one and then I will declare him KING [17:10:25] The only problem with that seems to be how we do come up with a qualifying score for each game? [17:10:31] yeah, only one defection [17:10:38] There are no qualifying scores, Aqua. [17:10:49] <_Frankie_> Ask the experts in the games [17:10:57] Somebody chooses a game and becomes coordinator on that game. [17:11:01] I meant in Frankie's concept, Ben Jos. [17:11:05] Oh, OK. [17:11:09] <_Frankie_> it should be a score that is hard but not to hard to get [17:11:19] agree [17:11:47] <_Frankie_> This leaves out crap players like me in shooting games :-) [17:12:01] <_Frankie_> only the top players in the games [17:12:17] * Hisa is watching a Jackie Chan movie [17:12:22] which one [17:12:33] Ok. How about we ask an immediately availible, but possibly slightly unfair, source for an example ... Ben Jos, what would be a good qualifying score for Crazy Kong? [17:12:35] <_Frankie_> name the games in January, use feb and march to qualify and then run the olympiad the rest of the year [17:12:56] I not now it´s exactly different from another movie..lol [17:13:09] <_Frankie_> take the average on MARP an add 10% mayve [17:13:09] Reach L=04 or so. [17:13:14]